To compare and contrast Bill and Ted’s arguments based on lying, truth, and Socrates ideal polis, we must first obtain a general understanding of the terms in use. We must not only look at the textual convictions implied into the meanings of these forms of ideals but at society’s views in general upon the questions herein. So before the attempt is made to compare these two notions of thought, truth, lying, and the ideal polis will all be overviewed on a historical and I feel factual level.

Society has always had many different views upon what lying is, and whether such lies are good, bad, or both. To lie is to knowingly deceive an individual or group o

f individuals (such as society) into believing falsehoods. When asked the question: what sort of affect or lasting impressions have lies had not only in our present era but also in mythology, and ancient past, the results are often negative. Lies can be spread either to save face, or can be the result of a more pathological attempt to deceive. For example in modern times children are often lied to about the origins of our own society in school. We learn that Columbus discovered America (which in itself is only a half-truth), but we also are given the impression that the inhabitants of the land were treated with respect and dignity as ‘humans’ should be treated. This is most apparently a lie, as we grow and enter schooling of higher levels we learn that society and the real world are not so forgiving. This lie is not intended to deceive, its intent is to save face, and prevent children from gaining a negative prospective about the origins of our country: A negative impression that we will have a chance to open-mindedly accept in later more mature adolescent education.

Another fact that has been pointed out in the last paragraph is the effects that this government will have over time, and as time changes won’t society also change? This is where Plato and Machiavelli have both looked at and viewed differently the stages of governmental existence in society. Although Plato views his imagined Callipolis as the perfect city and governmental system, he does not necessarily believe that it is easily attainable. Plato believes that society will follow a distinct pattern of recession from the time of a near perfects society’s creation to its decay and demise. Plato's description can be seen as follows: First, his vision of the ideal state, the Aristocracy of philosophers would begin to breakdown. His description follows a generational downward spiral where unworthy children of leaders will fail to perpetuate the virtues of their parents. Thus, children who value their honor and abilities to use force will produce a Timarchy. Once their honor is lost, these ‘children’ who decided to use force to become wealthy will form an Oligarchy. From an oligarchy comes Democracy as a product of children who think they will have a right to that wealth because of their citizenship. And last, but certainly not least, this society will delve into Tyranny, as a byproduct of rulers whose total lack of discipline and restraint produces a chaos that is only ended by one of their number seizing power. True to a Democracy however the tyrant will then use his power to take whatever he wants, which he feels is already his for the taking. This description of Plato's is often (at least) psychologically true of many specific events and persons in history.

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