... who love knowledge are philosophers. Therefore, "to become a good guardian, a man must be by nature fast, strong, and a spirited philosopher" (376e). Socrates illustrates how they will train the guarders of the city; "gymnastics for the body and poetry for the soul" (376e). Beginning with children's stories that; ... from courage. "Power to preserve under all circumstances the right, lawful opinion of what is and is not to be feared"(430b), Socrates will say that the people in the city who exhibit this behavior are the guardians. Another essential characteristic of the guarders includes...

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... about old age and money and the positives and negatives associated with both. This in turn leads to the topic of fairness and justice. Socrates begins to question Cephalus, Polemarchus" father who believes he understands the meaning of justice. Cephalus explains that justice is simply, "speaking the ... truth and giving back what one takes." (331 C) Whether this is the correct definition of justice or not, Socrates, through a series of questions refutes Cephalus" statement saying that "if someone asserts that it's just to give what is owed to each man ... man then must be stronger becaus...

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... tougher, the fact remains that to commit injustice is in every case bad and dihonourable for the person who does it" (49b). And as Socrates also says, to live an honorable and just life (which he has already said is the only life worth living) one must never commit an ... been consummated upon them. Furthermore, Crito agrees that neither shall a man commit an injury on another, even if they have been injured themselves (49c). Socrates continues by proposing that "Both in war and in the lawcourts and everywhere else you must do whatever your city and your country commands, or else ... Whi...

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... or her convinced conscience? Each of these situations surface in the works of two ancient Greek writers. In Plato's Apology and Crito, through critical reasoning, Socrates acknowledges the word of the law. In contrast, Sophocles" play Antigone makes the point that justice should be put ahead of the law, otherwise more ... since his mother and father married through it. Furthermore, the city provided him with his education in the arts and in physical culture. Being so, Socrates claims to be born, nurtured and educated by the city, and thus is its offspring and servant. Accordingly, the sta...

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... home often wandering through the agora (an Ancient Greek market place) and discussing his ideas with students, friends and other people he found in the street. Socrates believed in questioning people and the way they ran their lives, claiming that "the unexamined life, for a human being, is not worth living". His ... large bald spot. This added to the people of the times" fascination towards him. However in the year of 399 BC charges were brought against Socrates claiming that he was guilty of not believing in the gods that the people of the time believed in, introducing new religious bel...

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... by eliminating jealousy and inequality in the social classes, and adding a greater level of knowledge and understanding in the ruling class. The first wave Socrates discusses is that of common wives and children. The goal of the first wave is to promote unity in the city as a whole. The ... the obvious-eliminating inequality, but it also gives everyone a roll and removes the uncomfortably of working along side someone on the opposite gender. Socrates believed that everyone was equal in the guardian class although he addressed the fact that in ancient Greece it was believed that men would ...

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... obedience, he would be neither obeying them nor persuading them to change their decision if they are at fault. I would agree with these accounts because like Socrates said earlier in the play, the laws that are standing allowed his parents to marry and have him, plus raise him in a quality way, and then ... he would bring up his point that not all laws are "just" laws. He believes that there are two types of laws, just and unjust. He, like Socrates, feels that there is a moral obligation to obeying just laws. However, he also believes that people have a moral obligation to disobey unjust ...

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... , there is any general human being as such. Only by knowing what this is can we hope to live rightly: "therefore virtue is knowledge. Socrates laid no claim to this knowledge. His advantage lay only in awareness of his ignorance. He wished to persuade men to seek it with him, ... inductive, and its outcome was to reduce all virtues, including justice, to an understanding of the true nature of good and evil. Armed with this understanding, Socrates believed, men would automatically choose the right: "No one errs voluntary." His constant exhortation was to "care for the soul" (psyche), and ...

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Answer to Socrates When faced with the question of whether one should be loyal to a family member or obey the laws of the land I believe that it is more important to follow the ... with the law. In many cases it simply becomes the decision of the individual to decide if the offense was great enough to deserve punishment. Take for example the question Socrates was faced with when a boy asked him if he should turn his father in for murder. This is where blood ties should be discounted. Murder is a serious offense, and without ... ...

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... God only is wise; and by his answer he intends to show that the wisdom of men is worth little or nothing. (Plato p8)." At first, Socrates doesn't perceive of himself as being incredibly wise, but also realizes that most of the people who were considered to be the great minds of Athens are, ... life. In other words, there is a difference in the types of justices that are being affected in the Apology and the Crito. In the Apology, Socrates claims that he will go against the law if the law requires him to stop his philosophical teachings. He believes that obeying the law will cause him ......

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... to show that justice is truly the harmony between the three stages of the city and soul in the human body. Plato introduces the idea of the happiness. Socrates says, " in establishing our city, we aren't aiming to make any one group outstanding happy but to make the whole city so, as far as possible ... 420b). I agree that in order to examine one thing that is difficult to comprehend, it is wise to look on a larger scale. In this case, Socrates had to examine the difference of a whole city and other concepts of cities in order to determine justice in the world and inner soul. In order ...

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... would be to create a city that has three classes of people. The three classes are the guardians (rulers), guardians (auxiliaries), and producers (everybody else). Socrates feels that in order for this city to work the best people, or golden people, would be on top as rulers. Then the auxiliary guardians/soldiers, or ... is the way this society is run, they are born into different classes and metals, and they cannot change that. The second noble falsehood Socrates explains is that the people will think that they all have equal opportunity to mate and produce offspring, when in actuality t...

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... which means ''people'' and a verb, kratein, which means ''to rule,'' Its basic meaning is ''government by the people" or "rule by the ruled.'' Socrates quest for justice was written in the form of a dialogue by his student Plato, in Plato's Republic. Plato believed the Athenian democracy was on the verge ... Socrate's death. This encouraged him to write the Republic. In Plato's ideal society justice ruled. What is Justice? This is the question that Socrates wanted to find an answer to. According to the American Heritage Dictionary justice is the quality of being just and fair; the princi...

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... ideas and arguments of Plato center on the social settings of an ideal republic- those that lead each person to a more perfect life. Socrates reputation for good conversation is already well established. In the beginning of this book he is approached by some amateur philosopher acquaintances and drawn into ... book deals with the soul, choices, and describes justice as the ultimate "form" of man and the ideals he should strive for. Whether or not Socrates defines the "true" meaning of justice is disputable. Nevertheless, Plato's Republic has come to be known as a great philosophical maste...

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... Everyone must consider their behavior in relations to the community. The city of Athens had their specific laws, which are referred to as The Laws of Athens. While Socrates is imprisoned, he believes that he cannot escape into exile because he would then be corrupt. His idea is that these laws exist as one entity, and if ... telling him that if he does not escape, he will only be adding to the injustice. In other words, he tells Socrates he is a coward because he is allowing the enemies to win. Of course Socrates reacts by explaining that he could convince his enemies to let him live. He ...

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... not always hit the mark. Justice should be ideally guiding the city laws, but the notion of justice sought out by Socrates is prior to any city laws. Basically Socrates is looking for an answer outside of the city's laws and regulations, which is what will be Thrasymacus's downfall and in ... 's ears off because of their differences of opinion. Every argument that Thrasymacus makes on what justice is Socrates has a counter attack. For instance, "Justice is the advantage of the stronger". Socrates is able to reply to this definition by saying that the disadvantage of the stronger could al...

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... ). This statement covers the moral issue to an extent. Until this point, the gray area of moral legislation had not been not addressed by Socrates. But here in the text, he gives the individual a direction to go in that knowing what is right and wrong. If every single person ... This idea of minding one's business would hopefully rule out the simple and unimportant individual quarrels that we see today. So this proposed idea that Socrates had devised gave the people of the community an idea of how to act amongst each other. If working properly, the community would indeed be ... citizen. C...

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... 351b). The purpose of this argument is to determine whether or not just people live better and happier than unjust ones. Socrates starts off by refuting Thrasymachus with such question, that just people do live better lives, and that it is quite obvious. The whole ... or what it does better than anything else. (353a) Thrasymachus understands this and once again agrees with Socrates" reasonings. Socrates continues in asking whether a particular function has a virtue. Thrasymachus agrees only to have Socrates state that: a function performs well by means of its virtue and badly by the mean...

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... in turn define piety. Euthyphro's second attempt stated that the pious is loved by the gods, while the impious was hated by them. Again, Socrates objects, saying that although it passed the generality requirement, there was no conformity among the objects dear to the gods. After all, the gods ... be a ruler is a craft and a craft was established as that which provides what is advantageous to it's subject. Then to continue their discussion, Socrates wanted to address Thrasymachus?view of wether the life of an unjust person is better, or more profitable, than that of a just one. Thrasymach...

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... . He was in violation of piety – he was not promoting total dedication to the family and to the ancient gods. The charges brought against Socrates result in a conversation with Euthyphro where he supports all of Socrates actions. Euthyphro says that the two men simply spoke "of divine matters in the assembly," that would, "foretell the future." He ... had killed a slave in a drunken rage, to die in custody while waiting to hear how he should proceed with punishment. Euthyphro's justification for this tribunal is that a murder is a murder. Socrates showed immediate shock at the very ide...

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... ? From the times of ancient Greece, an era of thought and enlightenment emerged some of the greatest thinkers of all time, such as Socrates and Plato. Over the years, many questions have been raised by these men or posed by them. In Plato's "The Republic", Book ... justice is revealed. For example in his argument with Thraymachus, who believes that justice is nothing else then that which is advantageous to the stronger. Socrates would ask him questions and discovered exactly what he meant by what he said, then, Platonically and Socratically dispute the answer. Inevitably, Plato believed ...

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... city and offers his own model for society. Plato tries to define justice by implementing the Socratic method of oral teaching through dialogue. He uses Socrates as the protagonist who poses the question: What is justice? Socrates then proceeds to eliminate his opponents by attacking the weaknesses and exposing the limitations of their arguments. By refuting the flawed logic of his opponents ... others how they deserve to be treated. Plato simply rebuts that we are unable to fairly judge our friends and our enemies because we are biased. The next person that Socrates responds to is Thras...

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... public speaking came to be highly valued.? A system where value and merit are disregarded and instead unconditional equality promoted disgusted Plato. Plato and Socrates both felt that all people were born with knowledge but that not all people were in touch with the knowledge they possessed. It was through ... out of balance and lead him into injustice and unhappiness. Emotion can also master desire with the alliance of reason. This alliance according to Socrates is similar to the rulers and guardians of the state. Therefore, the individual is a sort of miniature state, and justice in ...

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... articulate concepts of justice that form the basis for much of western thought and catholic social teaching. These are Socrates (470BC-399BC), Plato (427BC-348BC) and Aristotle (384BC-322BC). Socrates was a teacher and philosopher who lived in Athens between 470 BC and 399 BC. Socrates wrote nothing. His method of teaching was to dialogue with his students, questioning their assumptions, and cross-examining ... what people thought to be true. His most famous pronouncement was that, after questioning all the people that society deemed wise, Socrates concluded "that he was really wiser th...

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... articulate concepts of justice that form the basis for much of western thought and catholic social teaching. These are Socrates (470BC-399BC), Plato (427BC-348BC) and Aristotle (384BC-322BC). Socrates was a teacher and philosopher who lived in Athens between 470 BC and 399 BC. Socrates wrote nothing. His method of teaching was to dialogue with his students, questioning their assumptions, and cross-examining ... what people thought to be true. His most famous pronouncement was that, after questioning all the people that society deemed wise, Socrates concluded "that he was really wiser th...

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